Hey guys, today we are gonna talk to The David Childress, the author of so many books. A person who constantly appears on Ancient Aliens TV show and so many conferences around the world. And today, we are gonna talk about Colombia, and specifically a strange site called San Agustin. Welcome David Childress. Thank You Praveen Mohan.
Originally where did the Cham come from? originally from Vietnam or ..?
No, I think they came that came from India, I think from southern India. South India? South India, yes. What language do you think they spoke? Well they may well have spoken the Tamil language. Tamil language? Perhaps, yeah. I don’t know what language they would have spoken.. sure may well have been that. So they start from South India and they go Southeast Asia?
..so the Cham reach North America and then what happens? So the Cham are reaching North America and I believe other people are coming from thousands of years. and the Cham are very old too. Possess Hindu civilization, in India, many thousands of years old. I also believe they have vimanas and they have power tools. You think they used the Vimanas to move, or you think they use Ships? Both! Just like today! Today we have airplanes, we still have ships. we are still transporting cargo around the world in ships. Even though we have flights as well. Sure. We even have rockets, we’re going to the moon. But we still have ships too. Well that makes more sense, okay. Yeah there they have fleets of ships. You know, today we have so many airplanes, and giant cargo airplanes and all, military planes, jet fighters. I think they had Vimanas and airships and things. But not in numbers like today. I mean, it was a different time.
I mean they were building craft, and they made them I’m sure, very well. They were probably very technical, maybe like a UFO. Some vimanas have wings, some were disc shaped craft. Others were cigar shaped craft or stuff like that. They would use them certainly for exploratory flights. Even once they have established certain bases in Easter Island and Tonga into any of these places. and in Mexico, Guatemala and Colombia. They’re gonna come in Vimanas but they’re also sending ships. So they are using both ways. So they are in North America, Mexico and did they remain as Chams or are they changing their names? Yeah, now they are changing their identity and are becoming a group that began, we know archaeologists say at least from 1000 BC, what we call the Olmec people.
They are pre-Mayan , they are pre-Aztec, pre-Mixtec and pre – Zapotec. These are the earliest people of a civilization in Mesoamerica. The Olmec civilization is a very strange one. Giant statues, colossal Olmec heads. They weigh 20 tons. Perfectly cut out of basalt. Basalt is so extremely extremely hard, you need diamond tools, power tools with diamonds to cut that stone. And then in My Son in Vietnam you will have this basalt also. So hard to cut .. more difficult than granite. So we have the Olmecs and the Olmecs are.. when you see them many of them look like blacks from Africa, but we have those also in Southeast Asia. Go to New Guinea you go to Solomon Islands and Vanuatu. You have exactly the same black people there on those islands. How did they get there? Well, the Cham were bringing them. And the Cham were many races. They were Orientals and looking very Chinese. They were people who look like they were from South India or North India as well. And then some also we’re looking very Egyptian ok? Thick moustaches and beards and others were looking like they were blacks from Africa. So, they are all of these different races. Yeah, you know make an interesting point you say Native Americans don’t have facial hair. That’s right, it’s well known that the Native Americans don’t have facial hair and in America and Canada, also in Mexico and in South America, they cannot grow a moustache and a beard. They do not have to shave they don’t need a razor, they can’t grow a beard. But you see at Tiwanaku and in the Olmec sites, you see people with thick moustaches and beards, yeah.
And the famous Kon-Tiki statue that Thor Heyerdahl talked about. That’s at Tiwanaku in Bolivia. He famously has a big beard and a big moustache. you see it’s looking like that. so these were the Olmec people and they then spread throughout Mexico on both coasts on the Pacific coast and the Atlantic coast and all the way down into Guatemala and Nicaragua. So they are going down Central America.
All through Central America and all the way to Costa Rica even to Panama they have found Olmec statues, ceramics. The Olmecs left us all kinds of things. Giant megalithic ,colossal heads weighing 20 tons made of basalt, but also smaller statues as well, and lots of ceramics. We have a wide variety of things and they are very strange people from all over the world. They are megalithic, and very odd sort of visages, strange head dresses, things like that and they’re coming. They look like they’re from India and so some of these guys are Shivites too. Others look very Egyptian even to the point where they have false beards and things. So you see here, like Wow, here all these different people and that’s what I claim in my book I also wrote another book called ‘Mystery of the Olmecs’ which is only about the Olmecs. but I’m also talking about them coming from there. There’s also a mixture of Xiong Chinese in there and their early writing. They have now, archaeologists, even the Smithsonian Institution in America, they have traced the very earliest Olmec writing which is where the Mayan writing came from too. Everything that is Mayan, including the number system the calendar and the whole hieroglyphic writing, it’s all originating from the Olmecs. They know that. but the Olmecs in the end, they built, also the pyramids of Teotihuacan.
The base of the pyramid of Teotihuacan is built by Olmec. It is Olmec, yeah. And the Mayans built after that, on top of the base? The Mayans were not there. No one says that the Mayans built Teotihuacan. It’s a mystery. Right now, archaeologists say they don’t know. They say we don’t know who built Teotihuacan. But they don’t say it is Mayan. The Mayan territory is farther south and more in the jungle. You have another city farther north called Tula – it was a Toltec city. Toltecs too have very thick moustaches and beards and things. So that’s my whole idea there that the Cham are leaving Southeast Asia. From South India to Southeast Asia, eventually reaching Central America, Mexico becoming the Olmecs. And they become the Olmecs. and then what happens to them?
Okay so the Cham, they started from South India and they moved to Southeast Asia they become Olmecs in you know Mexico and Central America and then what happens to them? They continue travelling and perhaps at the same time they’re also going to Colombia. Colombia? Yes and Ecuador and Peru. They are hitting the pacific. The Cham are coming across the Pacific they’re hitting the Pacific coast of the North America and but now they’re all coming to the Pacific coast of South America too. They’re looking for gold. They are looking for gold? Yeah just like in India, the Cham and the Vietnamese in Vietnam, and in Java and everything. It’s gold and other metals too, but gold especially. They have already high technology, I believe they have electricity. They’ve got power tools, they’re able to use diamond cutting tools to cut granite, to cut basalt. They have a technology that’s able to levitate stones. So they’re able to build with blocks of basalt or granite that are weighing 20 tons, 50 tons, even 80 or 100 tons. Building giant blocks and then as you see particularly in South America, in Peru, Bolivia, those perfectly cut walls in Cusco, Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo, even Machu Picchu. In fact, Machu Picchu has a sister city, in northern Cambodia which is Preah Vihear and it has the three windows. Yeah just like Machu Picchu. When you go to Machu Picchu, it’s megalithic wonderfully made of granite. And it’s one of the most famous sites at Machu Picchu. The wall of 3 windows. When you go to Preah Vihear the Cham city in northern Cambodia. They have the same thing: the wall of three windows it’s just like Machu Picchu. So yeah, the the Cham now are there in South America. They are in Peru, they are in Bolivia and they are in Colombia. Colombia and Ecuador too. Do you have like a specific site that really looks like a Hindu site?
Well, I would say well , Machu Picchu is in there and again the Keystone cuts are there which are in the Cham cities of My Son and Borobudur and Hampi. All these other places in South India and throughout Southeast Asia. Now you have them also at Tiwanaku , Bolivia, you’ve got them at Cusco – you have this at Ollantaytambo too. These are all mining areas, looking for metals, gold particularly. And they’re finding it – this is the Andes, a great place to find gold. Much gold was taken out at Tiahuanaco and other sites in Peru and Bolivia – the Andes. Then there is this very unusual site in Colombia which is called San Agustin. San Agustin Archeological Park? Yeah and it is very high in the mountains of Colombia. Very much in the western part of Colombia near to the Pacific coast. And near to Ecuador, the border of Ecuador. San Agustin even today, is a remote town, a small little town, high in the mountains. You’re going way up into the mountains to almost on top of a very lush, green, but rugged plateau. Streams are coming out and the roads are very new today. They’ve only been around for maybe 20, 30 years and even they have only paved them in the last 10 or 15 years even. Columbia has had decades of war that is largely finished now fortunately. So now tourists can go to this site San Agustin. What they started finding there really about 1912. Some German archaeologists came and they started seeing these megalithic statues and things. And then in the 20s and 30s, they began digging up these mounds and they started finding all of these huge granite statues. Those statues are there of Hindu deities. There’s a Garuda statue there. As you know. Yeah you and I were there together. Yeah ,you pointed out to me how there is so much Hindu iconography here, even statues of Shiva, you have the.. Garuda, Naga. The Nagas.. the doorkeepers on either side. Even the Shiva lingams, right. I mean you showed me some things of course that I would never have known. That there are lingams that have faces of Shiva on them and you and I saw that . I’ve seen.. I did not know that Shiva was being depicted with the fangs. Yeah, in South India that is the typical iconography. In temples like Kailasa Nathar temple, a very ancient Shiva temple in Tamil Nadu, all Shiva statues are portrayed with fangs. And that’s what you see so much of in San Agustin. The Guardians too have the fangs as well. Yes and then there’ll be the two Guardians and they’re holding the clubs. and you will see that too in Candi Sukuh, the ancient Hindu temple in Java, high in the mountains, is one of the oldest ruins perhaps in all of Indonesia. So you have that.. the fangs, it would seem as you suggested and I agree with you now. This is a huge Shiva temple. Shiva’s depicted in so many of the statues. The lingams are there. I was like.. yes it’s a Cham place and I felt that too when I wrote my book several years ago. Is San Agustin a big part of that book? Yeah it’s a part, it’s a it’s a chapter in here. but at the time when I wrote the book I did not know about the Fangs and Shiva. I suspected this was a Cham site because when you are familiar with the Olmec sites in Mexico and Central America and you come to San Agustin, you see very much similarity. You say, yes what is in Central America and is said to be Olmec, the same kind of thing is here at San Agustin. I knew it had to be a Cham site and then it was going there with you really that you were to explain to me. Really, just how much of an insight it was. And I was I was amazed. I thought yeah. I mean everything I thought you said was completely right. Yeah there is a lot of correlation when I look at your books, and I have looked at your other books . Every little carving you know you’re show in your books in South America or Mexico. I’ve seen similar carvings in Indian temples you know? And some of them I have been showing you..I had seen similar structures. As you saw many of these scenes at San Agustin that have Nagas or Garuda. when you go to Vietnam and the Champa sites, there you’re getting that iconography, and it’s also in South India. So you’re able to see a continuity from going from South India all the way. Little changes, slowly, you know. Style changes are there, but it’s all this megalithic culture, they were excellent builders. They’re able to move giant rocks, they’re making faces and statues that are Shivite but also of many different races. Again Orientals and you have seen this at Tiahuanaco too – People with beards, Chinese looking people, Blacks type of people. So, yeah you are seeing all this and it is really showing that these Hindu, Shivite, Cham people. They’re crossing the Pacific, coming to the Americas, coming to Colombia, coming to Peru and still everywhere they’re going, they are looking for gold. So back to the land of gold, and this is the thing at San Agustin and here in Colombia this is what you’re gonna find. El Dorado! El Dorado, yeah. This Colombia especially, but Peru as well. There’s so much gold, and so much mining and in the San Agustin area they’re gonna find gold.
When archeologists did excavate some of the tombs and mounds of things there, they found lots of gold. And many of the archaeological sites were early on robbed by a grave robbers and what they were looking for was gold as well yeah. And they would find it . Much of this gold today is in the gold Museum in Bogota. And that’s also where we find so many beautiful gold artifacts but also the gold Vimanas, these gold airplanes. So we have in the Bogota gold museum, we have the gold airplanes. Lots of other Gold items. The gold museum in Bogota is said to be the largest collection of gold in the world that is on display. And it’s all coming from the mountains around San Agustin and there’s another site called Tierradentro and other areas of the mountains too.. of Colombia as well. So Columbia has a wealth of gold. It too, is like Suvarna Bhumi, the land of gold. The land of gold, yeah. Yes, the land of gold for the original Hindus coming from Tamil Nadu and perhaps Orissa and other places, they saw Southeast Asia as the land of gold. But then for the Cham and the Champa, there, they had another land of gold and it was Colombia.. and Peru as well. So it’s a fantastic idea but the evidence is all there . And even I think they originally must have come by Vimana. Made an aerial survey around San Agustin. They saw it as a place where three rivers were coming together, they could see this from an aerial survey. Two volcanoes are there too, so it’s a volcanic area. Volcanoes and igneous rocks is a sign of gold. That’s where you’re gonna find gold. Oh really? Yeah, gold largely is coming out of the ground through volcanic action. Yes, gold and all these elements are within the Earth’s crust and the magma and so when it comes out up through a volcanic activity and other things like that that’s really where we get gold deposits.